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WikiSysop: /* Preposition: over vs. above */

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‎Preposition: over vs. above

WikiSysop: /* Preposition: over vs. above */

2024-06-25T16:57:42Z

‎Preposition: over vs. above

WikiSysop: /* Preposition: over vs. above */

2024-06-25T16:53:11Z

‎Preposition: over vs. above

WikiSysop: /* Comparative */

2017-09-30T16:55:03Z

‎Comparative

WikiSysop: /* Situatives */

2013-03-07T17:54:23Z

‎Situatives

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WikiSysop: /* NP adjectives / adverbs */

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WikiSysop: /* NP adjectives / adverbs */

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‎NP adjectives / adverbs

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 A photographer I've met in Paris even named her blog "Somewhere over my rainbow".
-<i>over</i> has the sense of <u>beyond</u> (<i>au délà de</i>).  Like beyond, "over" encompasses a lot of space, all the space above the rainbow.   "Somewhere <i>above</i> the rainbow" does not imply all the space above, just a point in space.  Imagine a transatlantic flight from Helsinki to New York:
+<i>over</i> has the sense of <u>beyond</u> (<i>au délà de</i>).  Like beyond, "over" encompasses a lot of space, all the space above the rainbow.   "Somewhere <i>above</i> the rainbow" does not imply all the space above, just a point vertically above it in space.  Imagine a transatlantic flight from Helsinki to New York:
 *weird:  First, we flew above the North Sea, then above the North Atlantic
 *normal: First, we flew over the North Sea then over the North Atlantic.
-Much of the difference is explained by the etymology...  over comes from the adjective  and by the 14th century had acquired the senes "past, done,  finished; through the whole extent, from beginning to end" are attested from late 14c. The sense of "so as to cover the whole surface".
+The Old English adjective 'uffera' influenced the evolution of the meaning of the word, which by the 14th century had acquired the senses "past, done,  finished; through the whole extent, from beginning to end".. The sense of "so as to cover the whole surface".
-Over is used in verb + particle combinations, above is not...
+Over is used in verb + particle combinations and often adds the notion of completeness, above is just a point in space that is vertically higher...
 When used together [https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/over%20and%20above over and above] means "in addition to" or "beyond".

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 Everyone knows Dorothy's song from the movie <i>Wizard of Oz</i> (1939).  (movie version of Frank Baum, <i>[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/55 The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]</i>, 1900)
-A photographer I've met in Paris has named her blog "Somewhere over my rainbow", an image that I must admit has grown on me over the years.
+A photographer I've met in Paris even named her blog "Somewhere over my rainbow".
-It seems to me that in these examples <i>over</i> has the sense of <u>beyond</u> (<i>au délà de</i>).  Like beyond, "over" encompasses a lot of space, all the space above the rainbow.   "Somewhere <i>above</i> the rainbow" does not imply all the space above, just a point in space.  Imagine a transatlantic flight from Helsinki to New York:
+<i>over</i> has the sense of <u>beyond</u> (<i>au délà de</i>).  Like beyond, "over" encompasses a lot of space, all the space above the rainbow.   "Somewhere <i>above</i> the rainbow" does not imply all the space above, just a point in space.  Imagine a transatlantic flight from Helsinki to New York:
-*<sup>?</sup>First, we flew above the North Sea, then above the North Atlantic
+*weird:  First, we flew above the North Sea, then above the North Atlantic
-*First, we flew over the North Sea then over the North Atlantic.
+*normal: First, we flew over the North Sea then over the North Atlantic.
 When used together [https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/over%20and%20above over and above] means "in addition to" or "beyond".

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 ==Preposition:  over vs. above==
 *Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high...
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 *First, we flew over the North Sea then over the North Atlantic.
 ==Adverb: over // through // again==

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 =Comparative=
-The opposite of <i>under</i>:  e.g.  Over 50% of the senators voted for the measure.  That old car has over 700,000 ki<b>lo</b>meters on the o<b>do</b>meter.
+A synonym for "more than".  The opposite of <i>under</i>:  e.g.  Over 50% of the senators voted for the measure.  That old car has over 700,000 ki<b>lo</b>meters on the o<b>do</b>meter.
 Also used with the verb <i>prefer</i> in some dialects and registers (<i>to</i> is universally accepted as grammatical, <i>over</i> is not).  e.g.  I prefer butter over margarine.

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 *I just walked the dog <u>over</u>. (adv. / situative)
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-<i>The following is an <u>adverbial</u> use, not a situational one:</i>
+<i>The following is idiomatic:</i>
 *I just ran <u>over</u> the dog. (prep./part.)  (<i>J'ai écrasé le chien avec la voiture.</i>)

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-*do it over = redo it (from the beginning to the end, but correcting any mistakes.  "Do it again" on the other hand suggesting repeating the same action without any changes.)
+*do it over = redo it (from the beginning to the end, but correcting any mistakes.  "Do it again" on the other hand suggests repeating the same action without any changes.)
 *read it over:  ambiguous:  <i>le relire</i> <b>ou</b> <i>le parcourir</i>.
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 *An over-the-counter (OTC) drug can be bought without a prescription.
-*That <abbr title="ensemble (vêtements), toilette">outfit</abbr> is <abbr="a bit crazy">over the top</abbr>.
+*That <abbr title="ensemble (vêtements), toilette">outfit</abbr> is <abbr title="a bit crazy">over the top</abbr>.
-*They're over the hill.  (over the hill = past middle age // old)
+*They're <abbr title="past middle age // old">over</abbr> the hill.
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 =NP adjectives / adverbs=
-*an over-the-counter (OTC) drug
+*An over-the-counter (OTC) drug can be bought without a prescription.
-*That outfit is over the top.
+*That <abbr title="ensemble (vêtements), toilette"</abbr>outfit is <abbr="a bit crazy">over the top</abbr>.
 *They're over the hill.  (over the hill = past middle age // old)

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 *think (STH) over (STH):  <i>réfléchir en profondeur</i>
-*go (*STH) over  (STH):  <i>parcourir</i>
+*go (*STH) over  (STH):  <i>parcourir</i>, <i>répéter</i>
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