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2020-07-02T21:08:58Z

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WikiSysop: /* Jill Stein */

2019-08-18T08:55:06Z

‎Jill Stein

WikiSysop: /* Jill Stein */

2019-08-18T08:37:38Z

‎Jill Stein

WikiSysop: /* Case prep */

2019-08-17T22:16:30Z

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WikiSysop at 20:50, 17 August 2019

2019-08-17T20:50:25Z

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2019-08-17T20:37:50Z

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WikiSysop: /* Weighing in the wiki-way on fr.wp */

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‎Weighing in the wiki-way on fr.wp

WikiSysop: /* Case prep */

2019-08-17T20:36:44Z

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 # they were procedurally unfair
-*multiple misleading elements in opening statement:  diffs presented for rhetorical effect rather than in chronological order (El C's 2-way no-fault I-ban with Tryptofish should have been first, Tony's role in overturning it 3rd), sanctioning admins not mentioned
+*biased presentation:  diffs presented for rhetorical effect rather than in chronological order, rhetorical language includes: vendetta, accused, harassment, harass, attacks, punching bag, book-length rant (589 word statement of fact), battleground mentality,  inability to interact with "others", etc.
-*unfair vote:  [regular !voters] to sanction me include:  [BMK], [Johnuniq], [Neutrality], [MrX], [WMSR], [Bishonen], [Jorm], [Objective3000], [Dennis Brown], [Doug Weller], [Hut 8.5]
+*[regular !voters] came to sanction me within hours:  [BMK], [Johnuniq], [Neutrality], [MrX], [WMSR], [Bishonen], [Jorm], [Objective3000], [Dennis Brown], [Doug Weller], [Hut 8.5].  Was this mentioned on admin IRC?
 *the votes were miscounted
-*MastCell was not a neutral party
+*MastCell was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=866330671&oldid=866310440 not a neutral party], having claimed I made no positive contributions.  See further...
 *no account was taken of the massive trend against a site-ban once evidence was presented (and after El C's statement that they did not seek a site-ban).
 *I said I was too busy to mount a defense during the work-week.  Despite this, 13 people voted primarily based on my quick edit to remove the rhetoric from the initial report, calling it "deception" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=962866332&oldid=962864000 1]+[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=962861879&oldid=962858608 2]ABF).  The case was closed early despite a clear trend against a site-ban and despite my request to be given adequate time to respond.
-**the 12-5 vote (by far the proposition with the highest support%) to close Tony's case and send the case to ArbCom was  entirely ignored in the close (opposed by 3 voters with "unclean hands")
+**the 12-5 vote to close Tony's case and send the case to ArbCom (by far the proposition with the highest support %) was '''entirely ignored''' in the close (opposed by 3 voters with "unclean hands")
 **those !vote of some of those who expressed evidence-based opposition to an immediate site-ban ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=962935089&oldid=962931042&title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision 1], [2], [3], ...) was not counted ''at all'' or was given equal weight to !votes like: ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=962827130&oldid=9628180921], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=962914715&oldid=962914388 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=962864000&oldid=962861879 3], ...)
 **Claims such as [1], [2], [3] were debunked but not struck.

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-{{Wikipedia}}
+Arbcom can [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Review_of_community_sanctions|reverse CBANs]], if
 [[Category:Criticism of Wikipedia]]
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 :After this, Snoog twice reverted to the text that they had agreed they were not "wedded to" ("legal defense").
-:This is covered by point 2 in [[Wikipedia:Gaming_the_system#Gaming_the_consensus-building_process|gaming the consensus-building process]]:  {{tq2|Bad-faith negotiating – Luring other editors into a compromise by making a concession, only to withhold that concession after the other side has compromised.}}
+:This is covered by point 2 of the explanatory supplement to en.wp policy called [[Wikipedia:Gaming_the_system#Gaming_the_consensus-building_process|gaming the consensus-building process]]:  {{tq2|Bad-faith negotiating – Luring other editors into a compromise by making a concession, only to withhold that concession after the other side has compromised.}}
 :[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=911320274 3:51 18 August 2019] (Revert 2), [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=911321558&oldid=911320716 4:06 18 August 2019] (Revert 3)
 :à suivre... so far they've reverted to the same text 11 times (rather dogmatically one might say) ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&type=revision&diff=909431492&oldid=909429289 11:30 5 Aug], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=909389553 3:03 5 Aug], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=909387861 2:45 5 Aug], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=907452825 0:41 23 July], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=907268278 18:39 21 July], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=907266478 18:23 21 July], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=907265103 18:09 21 July], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=906698189 16:13 17 July])

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 :I was blocked by Awilley immediately after starting this compilation for ArbCom (@18:32 10 August 2019).  An admin commented at BLP/N and a contributor commented on my talk page that this block seemed out of order.
-:Exactly two hours before I returned on 17 August, Snoogans [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&curid=1747821&diff=911252679&oldid=909875920 resumed the "slow edit war"] to source the claim that Stein was spending money on "her own campaign's legal defense" to a headline.  (Nowhere in the source text are the words "legal defense" or "defense" or "defend" mentioned.  Instead the article speaks of compliance, using both the noun and verb form.  This is what I had corrected the text to).  Not wanting to take the [[WP:BAIT]] (it is difficult to believe the timing was coincidental), I will see if they discuss on the talk page, which they have not done since beginning the edit war by reverting me on 5 August 2019.)  They have not responded on the TP since the argument was advanced that we should not be sourcing wiki-text to a ''Daily Beast'' headline.
+:Exactly two hours before I returned on 17 August, Snoogans  resumed the "slow edit war" to source the claim that Stein was spending money on "her own campaign's legal defense" to an article headline. They have not discussed on the talk page since beginning the edit war by reverting me on 5 August 2019.
 *Copyright violation of Yashir Ali's ''Daily Beast'' piece on Jill Stein's retirement / life insurance [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&type=revision&diff=746363353&oldid=746322132 the day it was published].  This was only fixed on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&type=revision&diff=747442715&oldid=747435737 2 November 2016], by Green Means Go, fitting with the general pattern of Snoog refusing to fix their own mistakes (cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jill_Stein/Archive_4#Plagiarism discussion]).

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 ===BLP===
 * In the course of an editwar with an IP then a registered account, Snooganssnoogans [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations&type=revision&diff=910399171&oldid=910396527 introduced a BLP violation] by falsely stating that Kathy Shelton had accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.  This mistake was reverted but Snoog [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations&diff=next&oldid=910474876 edit-warred it back in] instants later, berating the person who had removed their mistake.  I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASashiRolls&type=revision&diff=911248532&oldid=911248099 pinged them] to inform them I intended to correct the mistake once unblocked if nobody had done so by then, but they chose to resume their editwar on Jill Stein ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&curid=1747821&diff=911252679&oldid=909875920 thirty minutes] after being pinged) rather than to fix their BLP violation.
-* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=prev&oldid=765093000 Tulsi Gabbard] :  The source does not talk about "fraud and perjury", originally added on Feb 12, 2017.  Snoog editwars with an IP and later with me over the question 2.5 years later to prevent their spin from being removed. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&type=revision&diff=907453070&oldid=907274741]
+* On [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=prev&oldid=765093000 12 Feb 2017] made an edit stating in wikivoice that Tulsi Gabbard opposed the arrest of a consular official for "fraud and perjury".  The source does not mention what the consular official was arrested for and instead mentions that Gabbard opposed the '''way''' that the official was arrested.  Two and a half years later, a new user provided context [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=prev&oldid=907068794] (not in the source) which Snoogans removed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=next&oldid=907070910].  At first I restored the context, then realized that the source did not include that info so conformed to the source [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=next&oldid=907263778], which Snoogans reverted claiming their longstanding text conformed to RS (which it did not as there was no mention of the reason the consular official was manhandled in their source): [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&type=revision&diff=907453070&oldid=907274741].  Eventually, I spelled out exactly why their contribution which had been sitting in the entry for two and a half years (while I'd been banned for exposing Cirt's astroturfing) was misleading and another contributor came in and removed their text entirely. (Had I done that, I would have ended up at AE.)
 *[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti%20...%20politician)&diff=prev&oldid=905987444 Bill Lee] Here SS claims the source says Bill Lee "created" a holiday ex nihilo when in fact the governor has been legally required to declare the holiday every year since the 1970s (as the article says).
 *[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Solomon_%28political_commentator%29&type=revision&diff=908022310&oldid=908022182 John Solomon] (only the 2nd source (an opinion piece) verifies the 1st claim, the other two do not.
-*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:George_Galloway/Archive_8#Galloway's_alleged_support_of_Trump_over_Clinton discussion] preceding RfC on Snoogans' claim George Galloway supported / favored Trump in the 2016 US election
+*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:George_Galloway/Archive_8#Galloway's_alleged_support_of_Trump_over_Clinton discussion] preceding RfC on Snoogans' claim George Galloway supported / favored Trump in the 2016 US election.  Note Snoogans incivility towards Kingsindian and the subsequent unanimous condemnation of Snoogans' misleading statement about Galloway.
 *[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seymour_Hersh&diff=891375880&oldid=889507802 Seymour Hersh] (This edit is a huge mess.)
 ::Snoog adds to a paragraph purportedly about Syria: {{tq2|Politico's Jack Shafer described the story as "a messy omelet of a piece that offers little of substance for readers or journalists who may want to verify its many claims."[1][2]}}
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 * [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seth_Abramson&diff=prev&oldid=876041834 Seth Abramson] misattribution of a source (which they were in a hurry to post to their wall of shame, and so left the mainspace article wrongly referenced ...)
 ==== Jill Stein ====
-After not having edited a BLP for two weeks, Snoog felt the need to make an edit 6 minutes after I corrected misleading prose in the Jill Stein entry on 5 August 2019.  In so doing they introduced a formatting error.  The reason for their haste may well have been their desire to bring me to ANEW in order to protect the misleading content.  Cf.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive394#User:SashiRolls_reported_by_User:Snooganssnoogans_(Result:_) Snooganssnoogans v. SashiRolls] @ ANEW.
+*After not having edited the page for two weeks, Snoog disrupted my editing 6 minutes after I began correcting misleading prose (and restoring the source they had deleted in their haste two weeks prior) on 5 August 2019.  In their haste to disrupt, they introduced a new formatting error.  The reason for their haste may well have been their desire to bring me to ANEW in order to protect their misleading content.  Cf.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive394#User:SashiRolls_reported_by_User:Snooganssnoogans_(Result:_) Snooganssnoogans v. SashiRolls] @ ANEW.
-I was blocked by Awilley immediately after starting this compilation for ArbCom (@18:32 10 August 2019).  Exactly two hours before I returned on 17 August, Snoogans [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&curid=1747821&diff=911252679&oldid=909875920 resumed the "slow edit war"] to source the claim that Stein was spending money on "her own campaign's legal defense" to a headline.  (Nowhere in the source text are the words "legal defense" or "defense" or "defend" mentioned.  Instead the article speaks of compliance, as I had corrected the text to.  Not wanting to take the WP:BAIT (it is difficult to believe the timing was coincidental), I will see if they discuss on the talk page, which they have not done since beginning the edit war by reverting me on 5 August 2019.)  They have not responded on the TP since the argument was advanced that we should not be sourcing wiki-text to a ''Daily Beast'' headline.
+:I was blocked by Awilley immediately after starting this compilation for ArbCom (@18:32 10 August 2019).  An admin commented at BLP/N and a contributor commented on my talk page that this block seemed out of order.
-*Copyright violation of Yashir Ali's ''Daily Beast'' piece on Jill Stein's retirement / life insurance [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&type=revision&diff=746363353&oldid=746322132 the day it was published].  This was only fixed on [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&type=revision&diff=747442715&oldid=747435737 2 November 2016], by Green Means Go, fitting with the general pattern of Snoog refusing to fix their own mistakes (cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jill_Stein/Archive_4#Plagiarism discussion]).
 *Harambe: misrepresentation of a poll. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=732314282 original addition 31 July 2016], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=732326706 initial rejection 31 July 2016]
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 == Previous sanctions ==

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 * [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seth_Abramson&diff=prev&oldid=876041834 Seth Abramson] misattribution of a source (which they were in a hurry to post to their wall of shame, and so left the mainspace article wrongly referenced ...)
 ==== Jill Stein ====
-*Copyright violation of Yashir Ali's ''Daily Beast'' piece on Jill Stein's retirement / life insurance the day it was published.
+I was blocked by Awilley immediately after starting this compilation for ArbCom (@18:32 10 August 2019).  Exactly two hours before I returned on 17 August, Snoogans [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&curid=1747821&diff=911252679&oldid=909875920 resumed the "slow edit war"] to source the claim that Stein was spending money on "her own campaign's legal defense" to a headline.  (Nowhere in the source text are the words "legal defense" or "defense" or "defend" mentioned.  Instead the article speaks of compliance, as I had corrected the text to.  Not wanting to take the WP:BAIT (it is difficult to believe the timing was coincidental), I will see if they discuss on the talk page, which they have not done since beginning the edit war by reverting me on 5 August 2019.)  They have not responded on the TP since the argument was advanced that we should not be sourcing wiki-text to a ''Daily Beast'' headline.
 *Harambe: misrepresentation of a poll. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=732314282 original addition 31 July 2016], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jill_Stein&diff=prev&oldid=732326706 initial rejection 31 July 2016]
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 It has been suggested that Snoog's userpage should be proposed for deletion at MfD.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Snooganssnoogans&oldid=909700844 userpage]
 == Previous sanctions ==
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 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive217#Snooganssnoogans 3 July 2017]: Warned to use more care after breaking urls and titles in refs in their haste to disrupt an editor fixing mistakes:
 ==See also==
 * [[Gender bias on Wikipedia]]

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 A 2017 study ''The Wisdom of Polarized Crowds'' (Feng Shi, Misha Teplitskiy, Eamon Duede, James Evans) investigated the effects of ideological diversity on Wikipedia entry quality scores for political, social issues, and science articles. To accomplish this, the authors estimated editor political alignment on the liberal-conservative spectrum based on their prior contributions and gauged article quality using a [[MediaWiki]] tool called "[[mw:ORES|ORES]]". The authors found that "polarized teams" (a balanced group of editors with diverse political viewpoints) "create articles of higher quality than politically homogeneous teams", "engage in longer, more constructive, competitive, and substantively focused but linguistically diverse debates than political moderates", and "generate a larger volume of debate and their balance of political perspectives reduces flare-ups in debate temperature".  They found that homogenous or highly-skewed teams engaged in less, but highly [[acrimonious]], debate which produced articles scoring lower in quality.<ref name="Wisdom">{{cite journal|author1=Shi, F.|author2=Teplitskiy, M.|author3=Duede, E.|author4=Evans, J.A.|title=The Wisdom of Polarized Crowds|journal=(paper)|date=November 29, 2017|arxiv=1712.06414|accessdate=}}</ref><ref name="Heterodex">{{cite web|last1=Stevens|first1=Sean|title=Research Summary: The Wisdom of Polarized Crowds|url=https://heterodoxacademy.org/research-summary-the-wisdom-of-polarized-crowds/|website=[[Heterodox Academy]]|accessdate=22 May 2018|date=December 21, 2017}}</ref>
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 ===BLP===
 * [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=prev&oldid=765093000 Tulsi Gabbard] :  The source does not talk about "fraud and perjury", originally added on Feb 12, 2017.  Snoog editwars with an IP and later with me over the question 2.5 years later to prevent their spin from being removed. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&type=revision&diff=907453070&oldid=907274741]
 *[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti%20...%20politician)&diff=prev&oldid=905987444 Bill Lee] Here SS claims the source says Bill Lee "created" a holiday ex nihilo when in fact the governor has been legally required to declare the holiday every year since the 1970s (as the article says).
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 It has been suggested that Snoog's userpage should be proposed for deletion at MfD.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Snooganssnoogans&oldid=909700844 userpage]
-After not having edited a BLP for two weeks, Snoog felt the need to make an edit 6 minutes after I corrected misleading prose in the Jill Stein entry.  In so doing they introduced a formatting error.  The reason for their haste may well have been their desire to bring me to ANEW in order to protect the misleading content.  Cf.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive394#User:SashiRolls_reported_by_User:Snooganssnoogans_(Result:_) Snooganssnoogans v. SashiRolls] @ ANEW.   (As Tarc said on Wikipediocracy while the affair was active on the noticeboard, "Ridding the topic area of one's opponents takes more time & effort, but the rewards pay off in the long run." ([http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10591#p244895 source]: {{small|mentioned because some think Snoog is Tarc, according to Matt Reynolds, writing in ''Wired UK'' ([https://www.wired.co.uk/article/brexit-wikipedia-page-battles source])}})
+After not having edited a BLP for two weeks, Snoog felt the need to make an edit 6 minutes after I corrected misleading prose in the Jill Stein entry on 5 August 2019.  In so doing they introduced a formatting error.  The reason for their haste may well have been their desire to bring me to ANEW in order to protect the misleading content.  Cf.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive394#User:SashiRolls_reported_by_User:Snooganssnoogans_(Result:_) Snooganssnoogans v. SashiRolls] @ ANEW.
-=== Previous sanctions ===
+== Previous sanctions ==
 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ASnooganssnoogans 14 Nov 2016]: sanctioned for personal attacks and harassments (calling me "batshit insane" & a "sociopath")
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 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive215#Snooganssnoogans 24 May 2017]:  banned from mass-editing in AP-1932 due to biased mass edits
-=== Previous noticeboard appearances ===
+== Previous noticeboard appearances ==
 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive217#Snooganssnoogans 3 July 2017]: Warned to use more care after breaking urls and titles in refs in their haste to disrupt an editor fixing mistakes: